Advice for a girl..

Girl studying

Girl studying

One of the students in my Adopt a Physicist class just asked me:

Hi! Lately I’ve had to think about what I want a career in and what I would like to study in college. The two choices that have always interested me most are either being a physician or an engineer. Women are a minority in these fields, as they are in the one you work in. Do you find yourself effected by the fact that you are a woman in a male-dominated field? Do you have any advice for girls who want to pursue a career in male-dominated fields?

Wow. There’s a tough question, and one I’ve been thinking about a lot lately. Here’s my reply to her.

I was the only woman in my undergrad physics classes. I think this had something to do with me changing majors. Not because I felt discriminated against, but because the men in my classes just worked differently than I did. Maybe you know the type — self-confident, giving cursory answers to my questions, working alone on the homework and having this certain geek-in-crowd flavor to their interactions. I decided that I wasn’t very good at physics based on those social interactions and for that, and many other reasons, changed to psychology. I later found out that my shaky self-esteem in physics was unfounded, and that I was one of the best students in the class. If only my (male) professor had told me that earlier.

So, the way that being a woman in science has affected me is in subtle ways like that — the people around me are different from me — rather than that I’m obviously discriminated against. It is hard sometimes being one of few women in the room, because then you feel that whatever you do is going to be taken as indicative of “what women do” or “what women think”, like you’re representative of your entire gender.

There are definitely challenges to being a woman in a male dominated field, but not so much so you should reconsider. In fact, being a woman got me funding for graduate school, since I was on a minority fellowship. People think it’s really cool that I’m a woman in physics, I get a lot of street cred for it. *I* think it’s cool, and it’s fun to play up the “geek girl” kind of image.

It does help to learn something about how women and men communicate differently if you’re going to be in a male dominated field, so that you can work productively in a male environment. There are a lot of great books about this. There is also a great book called “Who’s Afraid of Marie Curie” that I’m reading right now, which is about women in science, and is very informative about how men and women differ in their approaches to math and science.

Was I wrong? There IS bias.

Interestingly, the very day that I wrote this to her, I went to a talk on gender and science. What I heard there made me wonder if my advice to the girl above was misguided and wrong.

The speaker (Jo Handelsman, a plant pathologist and science educator at U. Wisconsin) pointed out that we still have fewer women in the sciences than you’d expect by the number of women getting undergraduate degrees in science. Academic hiring is, in theory, based on a meritocracy, and faculty claim that “we only hire the best.” But when pressed to ask for their criteria on what the “best” or “merit” is, they often claim that “I know it when I see it.” But that leaves lots of room for bias.

Since women are scarce in the sciences, she says, there are four main hypotheses that people put forward:

Hypothesis 1. Narrow pipeline. There are few women coming into the sciences. However, there are more women coming in thanever before. What they’ve found is that women are lost at each transition step — from High School to College,from College to Graduate School, and especially from the PhD to Tenure Track positions. She’s heard many tragic stories of how isolated women are once they get tenure.  Note too this recent post at Bad Astronomy about how lots of girls want to be scientists (yay!).

A female scientist samples of DNA

A female scientist samples DNA

Hypothesis 2. Women aren’t as talented. However, women get as high grades as men, and there are no differences in math and verbal skillsbetween men and women. Women are well-qualified. The only difference that has been shown to exist between men and women is that of spatial skills, and this seems to be due to experience and training rather than genetic difference.

Hypothesis 3. Women choose not to advance. This hypothesis also doesn’t seem to hold water, especially if you consider the choice between “family” and “career” to be a false one which is imposed by the systemic constraints on women who want to have both.

Hypothesis 4. There is discrimination. This is the hypothesis she spent most of her time talking about. She claims that we intend to be fair and to uphold the meritocracy. But our unconscious prejudices affect our evaluation of people and their work. There is less outright discrimination as there used to be, where people believe that women shouldn’t have certain jobs, but that unconscious bias causes the unequal hiring of women in the sciences.

For example:

  • People will overestimate the height of men and underestimate that of women (based on previous experience that women are short and men and tall)
  • People rate the verbal skills apparent in a short text as lower when they think that a black person or woman wrote it.
  • Many studies have shown that when given a resume, people (men and women) are more likely to say that they would hire the person if there is a man’s name attached to the resume (rather than a woman’s name). The fact that both men and women do the same thing show sthis isn’t due to a group of advantaged people trying to keep women out of the in-club, but rather the product of enculturation. The same thing is observed with job evaluations.
  • And the prize for the weirdest study: People are more likely to hire an applicant when a masculine scent (I think it was testosterone or some other hormone/pheromone) is applied to the application

What to do…

There’s good news, though. Job performance evaluations are more equal when the evaluator is not distracted. This goes with the literature that more information leads to less bias. Similarly, the hiring bias in female vs. male names on a resume disappears when academics are asked who they would grant tenure to. That’s because there is more information available at that time.

Additionally, people show less bias when, amazingly, they’re instructed to avoid being prejudiced.

So, it seems that my post to the girl, above, was somewhat misguided. There is bias, and it’s likely that it affected me at some point in my career. I asked Dr. Handelsman, however, whether it’s better to not deny our personal disadvantage and recognize that there is bias? What is our role as discriminatees? She wasn’t sure, and said maybe ignorance is bliss, allowing us to go forward confidently and not be angry all the time. So, maybe my advice to the girl was good, not acknowledging this hidden bias?

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In the continuing vein of women and science (see my previous post Flirt Harder, I’m a Physicist in particular), I was just forwarded a link to L’Oreal’s postdoctoral fellowships for women scientists. I remember L’Oreal.  I remember them from when I was at a conference for the American Physical Society (APS), talking with some colleagues at an exhibit hall. Some guy from L’Oreal came by and handed me some mascara along with a brochure.  I jokingly asked why I got the mascara, and not my male colleagues.  The L’Oreal guy laughed a little uncomfortably and my colleagues expressed their complete lack of interest in mascara.

I felt uncomfortable enough in that moment to have remembered it now, years later.  Yet, it was actually pretty good mascara (I’ve still got it), and what the heck, I got something typically “feminine” in a typically male venue.  Should I feel empowered by my gift of mascara?  Maybe what was uncomfortable was that it highlighted my gender in a venue where we try to ignore such personal characteristics.  See my earlier post on stereotype threat, where I discuss how we’re afraid of doing something that will reflect negatively on our gender when our minority status is highlighted.

Anyway.  I think the L’Oreal fellowships are pretty great.  They make money by exploiting our culture’s focus on women’s appearance, so why not give some of that money back to women who aren’t conforming to the stereotypes and are using their brains in science.  Though one thing I found curious — they ask for (optional) a photo attachment on the application.  Is that normal?  They also highlight the achievements of women in science around the world.

Sciencewomen just posted a fabulously detailed blogroll of all the women blogging on science topics.

A great resource.  I wonder how the proportion of women blogging about science compares to the proportion of women employed in the sciences?  There certainly seem to b a decent number of us blogging about physics, considering the dismal number of women in physics.

See my next post for some thoughts about being a minority in the sciences and how it makes me feel stupid.